How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. ADG Brass. You are using an out of date browser. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. $94.95 $79.95. Mag. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. at the muzzle. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. 12 Gauge 1". Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Amazing bc too for the weight. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. . You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? Improving 7mm Rem. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. 92 grs. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Mag. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . I just did a 7mm build too. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. Full Member. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Going to be used from antelope to elk. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. I'd opt for the 7RM. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Mag. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. You are using an out of date browser. Which one would you choose and why? I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Buy Now. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. 22 Nosler. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) 7mm Rem. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Which action are you using and what barrel length? The belt has never been an issue for me. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Ive got the same dilemma. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. ammo. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". SAUM can be found on the . Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. for my brand of hunting. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. JavaScript is disabled. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. I think the 7saum is here to stay. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Categories I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. And heres the same 175-gr. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. The SAUM will be built on a long action. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Alabusa Learning. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. 7RM!! Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. Want to do 24-26 barrel. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. YMMV . I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. So how do you choose among these three? ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. Trustpilot. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Mag. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. bullet wins the wind deflection category. 6.5 PRC. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Ballistic twins. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Trustpilot. Another vote for 7 rem mag. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. And more recoil. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. &mm PRC. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. Mag. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. Mag. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . at the muzzle. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. 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